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	<title>Comments on: Podcast29: Thinking Critically About Web 2.0</title>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Web 2.0: Jeteye: Interview with David Hayden</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/13/podcast29-thinking-critically-about-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-23269</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Web 2.0: Jeteye: Interview with David Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that technologies will make a difference in learning. Read This   Archived in Lists &#124; Trackback &#124; del.icio.us &#124; Top OfPage [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Web 2.0 Blog Network Hating Web 2.0: Privacy vs. Convenience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Web 2.0 Blog Network Hating Web 2.0: Privacy vs. Convenience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that technologies will make a difference in learning. Continue   Archived in Lists &#124; Trackback &#124; del.icio.us &#124; Top OfPage [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bubbling Minds &#187; Blog-arkiv &#187; Oyogi</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/13/podcast29-thinking-critically-about-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubbling Minds &#187; Blog-arkiv &#187; Oyogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oyogi er et videndelingssted. Man kan sp?rge Oyogi, eller man kan svare p? et sp?rgsm?l, der er stillet. Med tiden kan man sl? besvarede sp?rgsm?l op. Lige nu er der kun 62, men alt har jo en begyndelse. Jeg &#8220;testede&#8221; systemet og stillede et sp?rgsm?l: What is Web 2.0? Og s? gav jeg mig til at h?re en interessant podcast &#8220;Thinking Critically About Web 2.0&#8221; (optaget via Skype). Da jeg efter en times tid vendte tilbage til Oyogi, var jeg i mellemtiden blevet kontaktet af &#8216;bigfleet&#8217; med henblik p? en chat om mit sp?rgsm?l, og da jeg ikke reagerede havde &#8216;bigfleet&#8217; lagt et grundigt og flot svar p? mit sp?rgsm?l - ret imponerende!! Nu er jeg helt flov over min &#8220;test&#8221;&#8230;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oyogi er et videndelingssted. Man kan sp?rge Oyogi, eller man kan svare p? et sp?rgsm?l, der er stillet. Med tiden kan man sl? besvarede sp?rgsm?l op. Lige nu er der kun 62, men alt har jo en begyndelse. Jeg &#8220;testede&#8221; systemet og stillede et sp?rgsm?l: What is Web 2.0? Og s? gav jeg mig til at h?re en interessant podcast &#8220;Thinking Critically About Web 2.0&#8221; (optaget via Skype). Da jeg efter en times tid vendte tilbage til Oyogi, var jeg i mellemtiden blevet kontaktet af &#8216;bigfleet&#8217; med henblik p? en chat om mit sp?rgsm?l, og da jeg ikke reagerede havde &#8216;bigfleet&#8217; lagt et grundigt og flot svar p? mit sp?rgsm?l &#8211; ret imponerende!! Nu er jeg helt flov over min &#8220;test&#8221;&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of possibilities for systemic change I can highly recommend Fullan, Michael (2005) Leadership &amp; Sustainability: System Thinkers in Action  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1412904951/002-4457352-3152828?v=glance&amp;n=283155

I found Fullan&#039;s descriptions of the issues and nature of transformational leadership at school, district and system level to closely parallel my own experiences within our State education system.

On the role of tech support mentioned by Janice I strongly support other models. We didn&#039;t really get much movement in more teachers using ICT until we:

1. provided ICT coaches (who were teachers)
2. used students to provide a Help Desk service to take pressure of tech support staff 
3. allowed tech support to say no to unplanned requests for new technology/applications
4. supported existing quality teacher professional learning modules in ICT with time to access them
5. provided teachers with a computer in their staffroom (1:4 initially) and their classes with a realistic chance of accessing computers during teaching time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of possibilities for systemic change I can highly recommend Fullan, Michael (2005) Leadership &amp; Sustainability: System Thinkers in Action  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1412904951/002-4457352-3152828?v=glance&#038;n=283155" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1412904951/002-4457352-3152828?v=glance&#038;n=283155</a></p>
<p>I found Fullan&#8217;s descriptions of the issues and nature of transformational leadership at school, district and system level to closely parallel my own experiences within our State education system.</p>
<p>On the role of tech support mentioned by Janice I strongly support other models. We didn&#8217;t really get much movement in more teachers using ICT until we:</p>
<p>1. provided ICT coaches (who were teachers)<br />
2. used students to provide a Help Desk service to take pressure of tech support staff<br />
3. allowed tech support to say no to unplanned requests for new technology/applications<br />
4. supported existing quality teacher professional learning modules in ICT with time to access them<br />
5. provided teachers with a computer in their staffroom (1:4 initially) and their classes with a realistic chance of accessing computers during teaching time</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Guhlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Guhlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janice, thanks for sharing your questions. Education is always under-funded, whether we spend money on buying the latest and greatest or spend cheap and go with free, open source software. Why? Because school districts are spending taxpayer dollars. In the years of plenty, we bought the best we could afford in hardware and software--even though, like Eliot Solloway, we didn&#039;t need &quot;excess functionality&quot; that wasn&#039;t used.

So, can we measure the country&#039;s priority on education by the amount of money spent on technology? I don&#039;t believe so...on people, perhaps. What we need to do is ask, why are we spending so much money on hardware/software that will be used divorced from Curriculum &amp; Instruction? 

Let&#039;s forget campus/district technology specialists. Let&#039;s just focus on people who teach who happen to use technology to communicate coherently, and collaborate constructively.

Miguel Guhlin
http://www.mguhlin.net/blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice, thanks for sharing your questions. Education is always under-funded, whether we spend money on buying the latest and greatest or spend cheap and go with free, open source software. Why? Because school districts are spending taxpayer dollars. In the years of plenty, we bought the best we could afford in hardware and software&#8211;even though, like Eliot Solloway, we didn&#8217;t need &#8220;excess functionality&#8221; that wasn&#8217;t used.</p>
<p>So, can we measure the country&#8217;s priority on education by the amount of money spent on technology? I don&#8217;t believe so&#8230;on people, perhaps. What we need to do is ask, why are we spending so much money on hardware/software that will be used divorced from Curriculum &amp; Instruction? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s forget campus/district technology specialists. Let&#8217;s just focus on people who teach who happen to use technology to communicate coherently, and collaborate constructively.</p>
<p>Miguel Guhlin<br />
<a href="http://www.mguhlin.net/blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.mguhlin.net/blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Janice Friesen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice Friesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wesley,

Thanks for the podcast.  It was very thought provoking.  Just a few days ago I posted something on my blog on the topic which tied right into what you were talking about.  Here is my current conclusion (from http://malahinitx.blogspot.com)

&quot;But what holds things back? Why is there a dlay in using technology appropriately in schools? One thing - $$$$. Inservice training, equipment, support, expert technicians who can design network architecture and keep things up and running are expensive.

We are trying to do school on the cheap so that we can continue to spend most of our tax dollars on weapons and homeland security.

All of the above is not to say that I don&#039;t believe that Web 2.0 and the possibility of true interaction using the web will not make a difference. It is HUGELY important. But, that is not the issue. We can blogevangelize all we want and still the same percentage of teachers will adopt the change. We can keep trying to collect DATA to prove that technologies will make a difference in learning. But until we decide as a nation that our children and future generations are important investments we will NOT make any changes to school as it has been for the last 100 years.&quot;

Here are a few thoughts generated from the Podcast:
1.  Ewan mentioned using technology as a kid and the fact that it formed what kind of a teacher he is (technology using).  I wonder if there have ALWAYS been a few &quot;early adopters&quot; who thought differently when they were kids and now they are on the cutting edge as teachers using technology?  What evidence is there that this will not always be the case?  
2.  Do tech support needs grow to fill whatever space they are given? This is in reaction to Michael Guilin saying that Campus Tech Specialists don&#039;t really make change because they just end up doing tech support rather than coaching.  I like the idea of a new model.  I just wonder if the model of the campus tech specialist is a problem because those people have been asked to do too many tech support tasks and they need to say no????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wesley,</p>
<p>Thanks for the podcast.  It was very thought provoking.  Just a few days ago I posted something on my blog on the topic which tied right into what you were talking about.  Here is my current conclusion (from <a href="http://malahinitx.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://malahinitx.blogspot.com</a>)</p>
<p>&#8220;But what holds things back? Why is there a dlay in using technology appropriately in schools? One thing &#8211; $$$$. Inservice training, equipment, support, expert technicians who can design network architecture and keep things up and running are expensive.</p>
<p>We are trying to do school on the cheap so that we can continue to spend most of our tax dollars on weapons and homeland security.</p>
<p>All of the above is not to say that I don&#8217;t believe that Web 2.0 and the possibility of true interaction using the web will not make a difference. It is HUGELY important. But, that is not the issue. We can blogevangelize all we want and still the same percentage of teachers will adopt the change. We can keep trying to collect DATA to prove that technologies will make a difference in learning. But until we decide as a nation that our children and future generations are important investments we will NOT make any changes to school as it has been for the last 100 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here are a few thoughts generated from the Podcast:<br />
1.  Ewan mentioned using technology as a kid and the fact that it formed what kind of a teacher he is (technology using).  I wonder if there have ALWAYS been a few &#8220;early adopters&#8221; who thought differently when they were kids and now they are on the cutting edge as teachers using technology?  What evidence is there that this will not always be the case?<br />
2.  Do tech support needs grow to fill whatever space they are given? This is in reaction to Michael Guilin saying that Campus Tech Specialists don&#8217;t really make change because they just end up doing tech support rather than coaching.  I like the idea of a new model.  I just wonder if the model of the campus tech specialist is a problem because those people have been asked to do too many tech support tasks and they need to say no????</p>
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		<title>By: the open content blog &#187; Podcast Over Coffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>the open content blog &#187; Podcast Over Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This morning we actually stopped and listened to last night&#8217;s informative and lively conversation between edu-tech-bloggers Wesley Fryer (Lubbock, Texas,) Darren Kuropatwa (Winnipeg, Canada,) Ewan McIntosh (Edinburgh, Scotland,) Miguel Guhlin (San Antonio, Texas.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This morning we actually stopped and listened to last night&#8217;s informative and lively conversation between edu-tech-bloggers Wesley Fryer (Lubbock, Texas,) Darren Kuropatwa (Winnipeg, Canada,) Ewan McIntosh (Edinburgh, Scotland,) Miguel Guhlin (San Antonio, Texas.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: edProgress &#187; How to Reasonably Discuss Controversy</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/13/podcast29-thinking-critically-about-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>edProgress &#187; How to Reasonably Discuss Controversy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yesterday, I made an entry in this blog regarding Web 2.0 (actually, a couple of entries). Today, I received an update that Wes Fryer has a new podcast (as of yesterday) on the very same topic. Although I haven&#8217;t had a chance to listen to it yet, I think that the fact it is being discussed points out that we, as educators, need to move forward carefully. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yesterday, I made an entry in this blog regarding Web 2.0 (actually, a couple of entries). Today, I received an update that Wes Fryer has a new podcast (as of yesterday) on the very same topic. Although I haven&#8217;t had a chance to listen to it yet, I think that the fact it is being discussed points out that we, as educators, need to move forward carefully. [...]</p>
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