Comments on: The Synchronous Non-interactive Fallacy http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/18/the-synchronous-non-interactive-fallacy/ Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:07:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Wesley Fryer http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/18/the-synchronous-non-interactive-fallacy/#comment-285 Wesley Fryer Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:27:33 +0000 http://www.speedofcreativity.org/?p=656#comment-285 Thanks for the balancing article Patrick. The voices in higher ed when it comes to posting lecture notes and podcasts online are certainly not ALL negative. The rabbit hole on the research graphs goes deeper, however, <a href="http://www.pauljrichardson.com/" rel="nofollow">Paul Richardson</a> let me know that Work-Learning Research has put up <a href="http://www.work-learning.com/chigraph.htm" rel="nofollow">a very interesting page questioning the validity of both Dale's "Cone of Experience" and the retention rate pyramid</a>, sometimes also shown as a graph. Thanks for the balancing article Patrick. The voices in higher ed when it comes to posting lecture notes and podcasts online are certainly not ALL negative.

The rabbit hole on the research graphs goes deeper, however, Paul Richardson let me know that Work-Learning Research has put up a very interesting page questioning the validity of both Dale’s “Cone of Experience” and the retention rate pyramid, sometimes also shown as a graph.

]]> By: Patrick Dierschke http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/18/the-synchronous-non-interactive-fallacy/#comment-284 Patrick Dierschke Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:46:07 +0000 http://www.speedofcreativity.org/?p=656#comment-284 I used tape recorders back in the day (1987-1991) to record lectures for review. Where was the outcry back then? I could have easily had someone take my recorder to the class, and I could have slept in. I am surprised this is such a big deal, other than it is putting the spotlight on canned courses that anyone could teach. Newsweek had a well-balanced article in November. Quote: American University professor Patrick Jackson thinks he may have found a way to harness the full potential of course casting and to keep classroom seats filled as well. Next semester, he'll make his international-relations lectures and supplemental audio material required listening. Then he'll dispense with what he calls being "the sage on the stage" altogether and use his lecture periods to guide mandatory group discussion instead. "It's a new opportunity to ensure all my students have critical engagement with the material," he says. Full article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10117475/site/newsweek/ I used tape recorders back in the day (1987-1991) to record lectures for review. Where was the outcry back then? I could have easily had someone take my recorder to the class, and I could have slept in. I am surprised this is such a big deal, other than it is putting the spotlight on canned courses that anyone could teach.

Newsweek had a well-balanced article in November.

Quote:
American University professor Patrick Jackson thinks he may have found a way to harness the full potential of course casting and to keep classroom seats filled as well. Next semester, he’ll make his international-relations lectures and supplemental audio material required listening. Then he’ll dispense with what he calls being “the sage on the stage” altogether and use his lecture periods to guide mandatory group discussion instead. “It’s a new opportunity to ensure all my students have critical engagement with the material,” he says.

Full article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10117475/site/newsweek/

]]> By: Tom Hoffman http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/18/the-synchronous-non-interactive-fallacy/#comment-283 Tom Hoffman Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:36:02 +0000 http://www.speedofcreativity.org/?p=656#comment-283 Thanks for following up on this, Wesley. Thanks for following up on this, Wesley.

]]> By: Wesley Fryer http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/18/the-synchronous-non-interactive-fallacy/#comment-282 Wesley Fryer Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:54:14 +0000 http://www.speedofcreativity.org/?p=656#comment-282 This is a great question Tom, I also have needed to chase down the original source for this. I have seen it cited as "National Training Center, Bethel, Maine" but never seen the original work. I added a link this morning to a citation, but this is a again a secondary citation: http://www.acu.edu/cte/activelearning/whyuseal2.htm The original work is cited by Bruce Maxim in the following: http://www.aace.org/dl/files/JCMST/JCMST183287.pdf National Training Labs. (1995). Learning Pyramid. Bethel, ME: Author. http://www.aace.org/dl/files/JCMST/JCMST183287.pdf I am emailing him at the address listed on the top of the paper to find the original source, if I find it I'll post it here. If anyone else knows please comment here also! This is a great question Tom, I also have needed to chase down the original source for this. I have seen it cited as “National Training Center, Bethel, Maine” but never seen the original work.

I added a link this morning to a citation, but this is a again a secondary citation:

http://www.acu.edu/cte/activelearning/whyuseal2.htm

The original work is cited by Bruce Maxim in the following:

http://www.aace.org/dl/files/JCMST/JCMST183287.pdf

National Training Labs. (1995). Learning Pyramid. Bethel, ME: Author.
http://www.aace.org/dl/files/JCMST/JCMST183287.pdf

I am emailing him at the address listed on the top of the paper to find the original source, if I find it I’ll post it here. If anyone else knows please comment here also!

]]> By: Burks Oakley http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/18/the-synchronous-non-interactive-fallacy/#comment-281 Burks Oakley Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:03:40 +0000 http://www.speedofcreativity.org/?p=656#comment-281 Wes - Right on! Yes, this is about pedagogy - not about technology. If there really was something of value in the synchronous session (the lecture), then students would attend. -- Burks Wes - Right on! Yes, this is about pedagogy - not about technology. If there really was something of value in the synchronous session (the lecture), then students would attend.

– Burks

]]> By: Tom Hoffman http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/01/18/the-synchronous-non-interactive-fallacy/#comment-280 Tom Hoffman Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:09:46 +0000 http://www.speedofcreativity.org/?p=656#comment-280 While I agree with the overall thrust, to me, the nice round percentages in that pyramid have always smelled like they were pulled out of somebody's butt. Do you know where those numbers come from (other than a 90 minute podcast)? While I agree with the overall thrust, to me, the nice round percentages in that pyramid have always smelled like they were pulled out of somebody’s butt. Do you know where those numbers come from (other than a 90 minute podcast)?

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