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		<title>By: Jo White</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2007/04/16/nightmare-on-campus/comment-page-1/#comment-33938</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a teacher in Australia and have just spent 2 weeks travelling through the US, mainly California. The shootings happened while we were there. I&#039;m shocked by the attitude of most Americans I&#039;ve seen/heard on US media, saying things like &quot;how do we handle this sort of violence?&quot; You talk about arming more people so they can defend themselves (Hello???), and about how to catch people before they go wacko.

The biggest shock was the table in USA Today, outlining the numbers of people killed in educational institutions over the last few years (from about 4 to something like 24 each year, to now).

In Australia we have minimal gun violence. I know of absolutely no deaths at the hands of guns at educational institutions. 

America has many wonderful, wonderful things. But that doesn&#039;t mean you lead the world in everything. The best people - and countries - will look to those more successful than themselves in areas they fall short and try to learn. Time for the US to stand up and discover that tightening gun control is the only effective way to ensure the people who &#039;lose it&#039; can&#039;t easily act on their emotions. In Australia, we&#039;ve seen tighter control since the Port Arthur Massacre in the 1990s, and the direct results are obvious, with a reduction in gun-related crime.

Arming more people doesn&#039;t make you defenders of yourselves. It makes you likely to kill more people. I have no idea if Liviu Librescu would have preferred to have a gun rather than not. I know if I were him, I wouldn&#039;t have wanted to live knowing I killed someone else, no matter what the situation. He is heroic. A true hero.

I pray that Australia never adopts looser control that will see this sort of thing become something we deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a teacher in Australia and have just spent 2 weeks travelling through the US, mainly California. The shootings happened while we were there. I&#8217;m shocked by the attitude of most Americans I&#8217;ve seen/heard on US media, saying things like &#8220;how do we handle this sort of violence?&#8221; You talk about arming more people so they can defend themselves (Hello???), and about how to catch people before they go wacko.</p>
<p>The biggest shock was the table in USA Today, outlining the numbers of people killed in educational institutions over the last few years (from about 4 to something like 24 each year, to now).</p>
<p>In Australia we have minimal gun violence. I know of absolutely no deaths at the hands of guns at educational institutions. </p>
<p>America has many wonderful, wonderful things. But that doesn&#8217;t mean you lead the world in everything. The best people &#8211; and countries &#8211; will look to those more successful than themselves in areas they fall short and try to learn. Time for the US to stand up and discover that tightening gun control is the only effective way to ensure the people who &#8216;lose it&#8217; can&#8217;t easily act on their emotions. In Australia, we&#8217;ve seen tighter control since the Port Arthur Massacre in the 1990s, and the direct results are obvious, with a reduction in gun-related crime.</p>
<p>Arming more people doesn&#8217;t make you defenders of yourselves. It makes you likely to kill more people. I have no idea if Liviu Librescu would have preferred to have a gun rather than not. I know if I were him, I wouldn&#8217;t have wanted to live knowing I killed someone else, no matter what the situation. He is heroic. A true hero.</p>
<p>I pray that Australia never adopts looser control that will see this sort of thing become something we deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Educational Technology and Life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All the folks the rest of us won&#8217;t get to know&#8230; including a hero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Educational Technology and Life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All the folks the rest of us won&#8217;t get to know&#8230; including a hero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now, this morning, Wes Freyer linked to the wikipedia article about the shooting at Virginia Tech. I saw plenty of news about this event on CNN over lunch yesterday and on Google News each time I opened my browser. I was of course moved by the senseless of it all, but I didn&#8217;t really feel the loss until I saw the list of the fatalities on the Wikipedia page&#8230; students from all over the country (and the world.. can you imagine your son or daughter being shot to death when they&#8217;ve gone to The United States of America for school? How responsible do our gun laws seem for that?)&#8230; and faculty, too, from all over the world, including Liviu Librescu, who (it appears) was both a holocaust survivor and - in the end - a hero. He was killed while holding off the gunman so his students could escape out the window. His major research fields were aeroelasticity and unsteady aerodynamics, and I&#8217;m sure that doesn&#8217;t begin to tell his story. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, this morning, Wes Freyer linked to the wikipedia article about the shooting at Virginia Tech. I saw plenty of news about this event on CNN over lunch yesterday and on Google News each time I opened my browser. I was of course moved by the senseless of it all, but I didn&#8217;t really feel the loss until I saw the list of the fatalities on the Wikipedia page&#8230; students from all over the country (and the world.. can you imagine your son or daughter being shot to death when they&#8217;ve gone to The United States of America for school? How responsible do our gun laws seem for that?)&#8230; and faculty, too, from all over the world, including Liviu Librescu, who (it appears) was both a holocaust survivor and &#8211; in the end &#8211; a hero. He was killed while holding off the gunman so his students could escape out the window. His major research fields were aeroelasticity and unsteady aerodynamics, and I&#8217;m sure that doesn&#8217;t begin to tell his story. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2007/04/16/nightmare-on-campus/comment-page-1/#comment-33772</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Sheryl, I didn&#039;t mean to insinuate that you&#039;re advocating for 100% online education.... I think your comment was both accurate and thought provoking, however. (Always good things for blog conversations.) I&#039;m checking out your blog posts now....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Sheryl, I didn&#8217;t mean to insinuate that you&#8217;re advocating for 100% online education&#8230;. I think your comment was both accurate and thought provoking, however. (Always good things for blog conversations.) I&#8217;m checking out your blog posts now&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2007/04/16/nightmare-on-campus/comment-page-1/#comment-33771</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw.. my comment above â€œAs Sheryl reflected, you canâ€™t get shot if youâ€™re in a virtual environment.â€ was taken a tad bit out of context-- but I will let it slide since I like Wes so much...smirk. Trust me like Wes- I too &quot;... agree we cannot retreat from the real, face-to-face world, but must remain engaged in itâ€“ working for the good, and struggling against those ideas and actions which harm and inspire fear.&quot; Sheesh...

However, might want to check out my blog. I have shared a couple letters that help teachers understand how to help students deal with violent acts such as this, one from a mentor of mine, Greg Anderson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw.. my comment above â€œAs Sheryl reflected, you canâ€™t get shot if youâ€™re in a virtual environment.â€ was taken a tad bit out of context&#8211; but I will let it slide since I like Wes so much&#8230;smirk. Trust me like Wes- I too &#8220;&#8230; agree we cannot retreat from the real, face-to-face world, but must remain engaged in itâ€“ working for the good, and struggling against those ideas and actions which harm and inspire fear.&#8221; Sheesh&#8230;</p>
<p>However, might want to check out my blog. I have shared a couple letters that help teachers understand how to help students deal with violent acts such as this, one from a mentor of mine, Greg Anderson.</p>
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		<title>By: 4-16-2007 &#171; Ubiquitous Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>4-16-2007 &#171; Ubiquitous Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anyway, I won&#8217;t dwell on the facts too much here, as plenty has already been written and will be written by the major news outlets such as CNN and MSNBC. However, what is interesting is that had this event taken place before the advent of the Internet like the shooting in Iowa City, my information sources (and therefore my take on the tragic eventsÂ as they unfolded in Blacksburg) would have been very different. I didn&#8217;t really watch TV news channels yesterday. In fact, I picked up on the story via a few different blogs in my Feedreader. After a cursory look at the headlines on MSNBC, I got quite a bit of information (and links to a variety of other sources) from this post on Boing Boing, which led me to images on flickr here and here. I also found some videos on YouTube.Â In addition, quite a bit had already been written in the edublogger community by the likes of Anne Davis, Vicki Davis, Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach, and Wes Fryer. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anyway, I won&#8217;t dwell on the facts too much here, as plenty has already been written and will be written by the major news outlets such as CNN and MSNBC. However, what is interesting is that had this event taken place before the advent of the Internet like the shooting in Iowa City, my information sources (and therefore my take on the tragic eventsÂ as they unfolded in Blacksburg) would have been very different. I didn&#8217;t really watch TV news channels yesterday. In fact, I picked up on the story via a few different blogs in my Feedreader. After a cursory look at the headlines on MSNBC, I got quite a bit of information (and links to a variety of other sources) from this post on Boing Boing, which led me to images on flickr here and here. I also found some videos on YouTube.Â In addition, quite a bit had already been written in the edublogger community by the likes of Anne Davis, Vicki Davis, Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach, and Wes Fryer. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2007/04/16/nightmare-on-campus/comment-page-1/#comment-33765</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric: I agree we cannot retreat from the real, face-to-face world, but must remain engaged in it-- working for the good, and struggling against those ideas and actions which harm and inspire fear. I do think blended learning can be used effectively in ways that are better for learning than much of the face-to-face instruction we have experienced in the past ourselves, and continue to see in our schools, however.

Laura, you are quite welcome. I&#039;m still gathering my thoughts on this too, and am not entirely sure what appropriate responses are and will be, but the exhortation to not live in fear is one that goes back to the 9-11 attacks. It also reminds me of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.werenotafraid.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We&#039;re Not Afraid&lt;/a&gt; website and campaign that resulted from the July 2005 London bombings. We face an uncertain future (and always have) but if we face it together, in solidarity to not be afraid or intimidated, and to continue to act based on our shared cultural values: respect for each other, respect for law and the justice it seeks to promote, and an earnest desire to work for a better future, then I think we can channel at least some of our energies and emotions  that are activated by tragedies into constructive work which builds bridges and mends fences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: I agree we cannot retreat from the real, face-to-face world, but must remain engaged in it&#8211; working for the good, and struggling against those ideas and actions which harm and inspire fear. I do think blended learning can be used effectively in ways that are better for learning than much of the face-to-face instruction we have experienced in the past ourselves, and continue to see in our schools, however.</p>
<p>Laura, you are quite welcome. I&#8217;m still gathering my thoughts on this too, and am not entirely sure what appropriate responses are and will be, but the exhortation to not live in fear is one that goes back to the 9-11 attacks. It also reminds me of the <a href="http://www.werenotafraid.com/" rel="nofollow">We&#8217;re Not Afraid</a> website and campaign that resulted from the July 2005 London bombings. We face an uncertain future (and always have) but if we face it together, in solidarity to not be afraid or intimidated, and to continue to act based on our shared cultural values: respect for each other, respect for law and the justice it seeks to promote, and an earnest desire to work for a better future, then I think we can channel at least some of our energies and emotions  that are activated by tragedies into constructive work which builds bridges and mends fences.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Gibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for this thoughtful post. I will be sharing it with my students in my online course announcements tomorrow. I really appreciate the perspective you offer here; down here in Norman at OU, the only statement so far from President Boren is that we will be locking the dorms 24 hours a day. that is not an announcement that will give my students something worth thinking about - your post here, on the other hand, offers much more for thought. if we live in fear, the whole educational enterprise will be badly detailed, I&#039;m afraid. thanks very much for this - I&#039;m really not even sure how to collect my own thoughts, but I really appreciate your thoughts here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this thoughtful post. I will be sharing it with my students in my online course announcements tomorrow. I really appreciate the perspective you offer here; down here in Norman at OU, the only statement so far from President Boren is that we will be locking the dorms 24 hours a day. that is not an announcement that will give my students something worth thinking about &#8211; your post here, on the other hand, offers much more for thought. if we live in fear, the whole educational enterprise will be badly detailed, I&#8217;m afraid. thanks very much for this &#8211; I&#8217;m really not even sure how to collect my own thoughts, but I really appreciate your thoughts here.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As Sheryl reflected, you canâ€™t get shot if youâ€™re in a virtual environment.&quot;

I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around this statement.  Virtual environments are great, but please don&#039;t become so disconnected to believe that you actually leave the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As Sheryl reflected, you canâ€™t get shot if youâ€™re in a virtual environment.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around this statement.  Virtual environments are great, but please don&#8217;t become so disconnected to believe that you actually leave the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First substantial rumors &lt;a href=&quot;http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/04/virginia-tech-gunman.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;who is the gunman&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First substantial rumors <a href="http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/04/virginia-tech-gunman.html" rel="nofollow">who is the gunman</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; Breaking- Gunman kills 21 32 and wounds 21 28 more at Virginia Tech (UPDATED)</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2007/04/16/nightmare-on-campus/comment-page-1/#comment-33759</link>
		<dc:creator>A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; Breaking- Gunman kills 21 32 and wounds 21 28 more at Virginia Tech (UPDATED)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OTHERS BLOGGING: Sista Toldja, Hog On Ice (re &#8220;gun free campus&#8221; issue), Wesley Fryer (&#8221;What we should NOT do, in response to this incident, is live our lives each day in FEAR.&#8221;), [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] OTHERS BLOGGING: Sista Toldja, Hog On Ice (re &#8220;gun free campus&#8221; issue), Wesley Fryer (&#8221;What we should NOT do, in response to this incident, is live our lives each day in FEAR.&#8221;), [...]</p>
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