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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/05/19/looking-beyond-coercion-tests-and-seat-time/#comment-52741</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 04:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandi: I commend you for your passion and action to engage your educational constituents and leaders as a change agent. I am evaluating my own options in our current public school context. As you point out we have to be engaged, and we have to be constructively vocal. The conversation is key. Please keep me posted on your progress with a @wfryer tweet now and then if you blog about your advocacy at those levels.

Thank you also for your positive feedback. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandi: I commend you for your passion and action to engage your educational constituents and leaders as a change agent. I am evaluating my own options in our current public school context. As you point out we have to be engaged, and we have to be constructively vocal. The conversation is key. Please keep me posted on your progress with a @wfryer tweet now and then if you blog about your advocacy at those levels.</p>
<p>Thank you also for your positive feedback. <img src='http://www.speedofcreativity.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Brandi Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandi Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 03:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today was our last day of school.  The last day for students was Wednesday.  As a high school teacher, I have witnessed many of these days in public schools all over Alabama.  I have not checked the stats, Wesley, but my guess is that our state is pretty close to the bottom when it comes to teacher salary.  This week our legislators found and did not pass an education budget, so teacher units and money allocated for things like technology, copier costs, etc will be cut once the budget finally passes (no doubt with major cuts for k-12 ed).  I am by nature a very optimistic person, but it is hard to share and spread that optimism to other new teachers when they see the teacher next door to them doing the seat time and getting that same salary that they get.  I have decided recently to not just be an agent of change on my website, on my blog, in my classroom... I know that to make real change I have to contact legislators, go to school board meetings, have talks with the superintendent and use PR to get the message across that we must replace our current school "culture with one where innovation, creativity, and inspired excellence can thrive".  Thanks for this post.  As always, you are worth reading and helping me keep spreading the word of change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today was our last day of school.  The last day for students was Wednesday.  As a high school teacher, I have witnessed many of these days in public schools all over Alabama.  I have not checked the stats, Wesley, but my guess is that our state is pretty close to the bottom when it comes to teacher salary.  This week our legislators found and did not pass an education budget, so teacher units and money allocated for things like technology, copier costs, etc will be cut once the budget finally passes (no doubt with major cuts for k-12 ed).  I am by nature a very optimistic person, but it is hard to share and spread that optimism to other new teachers when they see the teacher next door to them doing the seat time and getting that same salary that they get.  I have decided recently to not just be an agent of change on my website, on my blog, in my classroom&#8230; I know that to make real change I have to contact legislators, go to school board meetings, have talks with the superintendent and use PR to get the message across that we must replace our current school &#8220;culture with one where innovation, creativity, and inspired excellence can thrive&#8221;.  Thanks for this post.  As always, you are worth reading and helping me keep spreading the word of change.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/05/19/looking-beyond-coercion-tests-and-seat-time/#comment-52675</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Erin, high expectations are the key. Those high expectations do and should come from teachers and also from principals. I'm frustrated by so many cases, however, where "high expectations" are used as synonym for rigor and kids sitting in desks doing test prep worksheets. Then after the tests are over, the attitude sometimes becomes: "OK, we've finished our work. Now we can relax and just turn off our brains." As several have pointed out this certainly is not the case everywhere, but I think it happens more than we might care to admit (or a district superintendent might want to admit) at the end of the year.

Good teachers set high expectations for students and take seriously their task of being designers and inventors of engaging work for students. Those tasks go on all year long, not just before the test. I think one of the constructive things our elected leaders can and should do with respect to high stakes testing is take the emphasis OFF the tests, and put it ON learning all year round. Learning never stops, we shouldn't pretend that it does or it should after test time is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Erin, high expectations are the key. Those high expectations do and should come from teachers and also from principals. I&#8217;m frustrated by so many cases, however, where &#8220;high expectations&#8221; are used as synonym for rigor and kids sitting in desks doing test prep worksheets. Then after the tests are over, the attitude sometimes becomes: &#8220;OK, we&#8217;ve finished our work. Now we can relax and just turn off our brains.&#8221; As several have pointed out this certainly is not the case everywhere, but I think it happens more than we might care to admit (or a district superintendent might want to admit) at the end of the year.</p>
<p>Good teachers set high expectations for students and take seriously their task of being designers and inventors of engaging work for students. Those tasks go on all year long, not just before the test. I think one of the constructive things our elected leaders can and should do with respect to high stakes testing is take the emphasis OFF the tests, and put it ON learning all year round. Learning never stops, we shouldn&#8217;t pretend that it does or it should after test time is over.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Knuth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Knuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Wesley,

I truly agreed with everything that you had to say on your recent posting. With high stakes testing, such as ISAT, breathing down every teacher's neck from grade 3 on up, it isn't hard to understand why some feel like they can just get the basics in to meet those standards in order to pass the test. Some would say that there isn't enough time to teach everything on the test. I however disagree. I think that teachers place so much emphasis on getting students to meet those standards that they forget about challenging those students. By pushing ourselves to set higher expectations for our students, we are not only meeting those minimum standards but we are also teaching our students valuable lessons that they can't learn in a textbook. You brought up the point of how the end of the year and that last week can often be a waste of time and basically a time to watch movies. I know from walking through the halls of our school that a lot of teachers indeed do this. They turn it into a week of arts and crafts, movies and game time. Although I think it's important for children to have time to play and relax (especially at the end of the year after working so hard) I feel that that is a week lost of instruction. One teacher commented on your blog giving an example of how they use the last week of school in their classroom. Basically, the teachers in the building turn the school into a "camp" and the children go from classroom to classroom where they engage in activities (not games or movies) and are still working on improving their basic skills. The kids enjoy free time and snacks like they would at any summer camp but that last week isn't lost rather used in a fun way. I just feel that if we want our students to become life long learners and goal setters, we need to show them that we believe they can do it and set high expectations for them. By setting high expectations for our students, we are saying to them that we know they can do it and we are going to push them until they do. The goal in turn would be to see themselves in the light we see them and set high expectations for themselves.

							Erin Knuth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Wesley,</p>
<p>I truly agreed with everything that you had to say on your recent posting. With high stakes testing, such as ISAT, breathing down every teacher&#8217;s neck from grade 3 on up, it isn&#8217;t hard to understand why some feel like they can just get the basics in to meet those standards in order to pass the test. Some would say that there isn&#8217;t enough time to teach everything on the test. I however disagree. I think that teachers place so much emphasis on getting students to meet those standards that they forget about challenging those students. By pushing ourselves to set higher expectations for our students, we are not only meeting those minimum standards but we are also teaching our students valuable lessons that they can&#8217;t learn in a textbook. You brought up the point of how the end of the year and that last week can often be a waste of time and basically a time to watch movies. I know from walking through the halls of our school that a lot of teachers indeed do this. They turn it into a week of arts and crafts, movies and game time. Although I think it&#8217;s important for children to have time to play and relax (especially at the end of the year after working so hard) I feel that that is a week lost of instruction. One teacher commented on your blog giving an example of how they use the last week of school in their classroom. Basically, the teachers in the building turn the school into a &#8220;camp&#8221; and the children go from classroom to classroom where they engage in activities (not games or movies) and are still working on improving their basic skills. The kids enjoy free time and snacks like they would at any summer camp but that last week isn&#8217;t lost rather used in a fun way. I just feel that if we want our students to become life long learners and goal setters, we need to show them that we believe they can do it and set high expectations for them. By setting high expectations for our students, we are saying to them that we know they can do it and we are going to push them until they do. The goal in turn would be to see themselves in the light we see them and set high expectations for themselves.</p>
<p>							Erin Knuth</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/05/19/looking-beyond-coercion-tests-and-seat-time/#comment-52378</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick: Thanks for the reference to "Unencorporating Education" as well as the link to your post, I'll read it and respond as well...

Courtney: I absolutely agree with both your points, teachers need to be provided with more planning time as well as more money. I've been exploring my professional options lately and I've been shocked at how ridiculously low teacher salaries and benefits are here in Oklahoma. We are ranked 48th in the nation for average teacher salaries. Part of the systemic school reform we need involves changing the schedule. I heard Alan November speak a few years ago about schools in Singapore (I think) were students worked in their "offices" at school half the day, and attended class with their teachers the other half of the day. When students worked in their offices, they both worked on individual assignments as well as collaborative, group projects. This permitted teachers to only provide direct instruction half the day, and have the other half to plan, meet with project teams, meet individually with students. etc. I think we need a model for education which includes this sort of flexibility and built-in scheduled time for planning and independent work.

I do resonate with the feeling of "teacher burnout." It has admittedly been awhile since I was teaching in my own K-12 classroom, but I certainly know the feeling of burnout and understand it. I agree with comments made by Cheryl and Lisa that the end of the year presents opportunities for teachers to create truly engaging and interesting projects for students to work on and participate in. When I was a technology integration coach in an elementary computer lab, I quickly grew familiar with the phenomenon that "once the tests were over" then many teachers wanted to tackle some projects which involved technology. I believed and believe those types of hands-on, project-based approaches to learning should be taking place throughout the school year, not just at the end of the term after testing. That's reality in many schools, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick: Thanks for the reference to &#8220;Unencorporating Education&#8221; as well as the link to your post, I&#8217;ll read it and respond as well&#8230;</p>
<p>Courtney: I absolutely agree with both your points, teachers need to be provided with more planning time as well as more money. I&#8217;ve been exploring my professional options lately and I&#8217;ve been shocked at how ridiculously low teacher salaries and benefits are here in Oklahoma. We are ranked 48th in the nation for average teacher salaries. Part of the systemic school reform we need involves changing the schedule. I heard Alan November speak a few years ago about schools in Singapore (I think) were students worked in their &#8220;offices&#8221; at school half the day, and attended class with their teachers the other half of the day. When students worked in their offices, they both worked on individual assignments as well as collaborative, group projects. This permitted teachers to only provide direct instruction half the day, and have the other half to plan, meet with project teams, meet individually with students. etc. I think we need a model for education which includes this sort of flexibility and built-in scheduled time for planning and independent work.</p>
<p>I do resonate with the feeling of &#8220;teacher burnout.&#8221; It has admittedly been awhile since I was teaching in my own K-12 classroom, but I certainly know the feeling of burnout and understand it. I agree with comments made by Cheryl and Lisa that the end of the year presents opportunities for teachers to create truly engaging and interesting projects for students to work on and participate in. When I was a technology integration coach in an elementary computer lab, I quickly grew familiar with the phenomenon that &#8220;once the tests were over&#8221; then many teachers wanted to tackle some projects which involved technology. I believed and believe those types of hands-on, project-based approaches to learning should be taking place throughout the school year, not just at the end of the term after testing. That&#8217;s reality in many schools, however.</p>
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		<title>By: wmchamberlain</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmchamberlain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be difficult to engage students in learning, especially when they know there is no way they will receive a grade on the assignment. It is the responsibility of the teacher to find something that interests the students enough that they are willing to do it without that extrinsic reward. We all have projects that we do through the year that students truly enjoy, why not save one or two of them for the end of school. Besides, it is always nice to tell people that think the last two weeks of school is babysitting that you are doing something interesting and constructive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be difficult to engage students in learning, especially when they know there is no way they will receive a grade on the assignment. It is the responsibility of the teacher to find something that interests the students enough that they are willing to do it without that extrinsic reward. We all have projects that we do through the year that students truly enjoy, why not save one or two of them for the end of school. Besides, it is always nice to tell people that think the last two weeks of school is babysitting that you are doing something interesting and constructive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Raines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Raines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  I was all fired up to post something really eloquent in agreement with your post but after reading Courtney's comment I have have to ask, "What is the answer?"  I hear the "not having enough time" phrase a lot when I share a new exciting web tool with teachers.  They tell me, we don't have enough time to explore those things.  Even in workshops, they crave time to explore and develop tools/ideas they learn about.  How do we give teachers more time (with accountability) to break free from the boxes?  How do we help teachers shift their paradigm from the teacher-centered classroom to the learning-centered classroom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I was all fired up to post something really eloquent in agreement with your post but after reading Courtney&#8217;s comment I have have to ask, &#8220;What is the answer?&#8221;  I hear the &#8220;not having enough time&#8221; phrase a lot when I share a new exciting web tool with teachers.  They tell me, we don&#8217;t have enough time to explore those things.  Even in workshops, they crave time to explore and develop tools/ideas they learn about.  How do we give teachers more time (with accountability) to break free from the boxes?  How do we help teachers shift their paradigm from the teacher-centered classroom to the learning-centered classroom?</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the assertion that NCLB is creating an environment where creativity and experimentation in teaching practices are being short-changed, I also think you need to recognize the realities of most classroom teachers. It is May, the end of the year, and we are burnt out. We are given, on average, 1 hour a day to plan creative and innovative lessons that motivate all students to enthusiastically excel beyond minimum expectations AND catch up on paperwork, administrative responsibilities, communication with parents and peers, etc etc. IS this the fault of the teacher or the system? In order to have more exciting and engaging lessons and learning, I propose that teachers be given a lot more time to create and implement lessons that will motivate students to attend and achieve. But something's gotta go; either pay us more money to work the many extra hours required to pull this off OR require that students come to school less hours of the day, but are guaranteed a more engaging environment for learning. Can you come up with something better and doable that doesn't burn out those of us who do want to provide for ideals, but also have some balance in work/life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the assertion that NCLB is creating an environment where creativity and experimentation in teaching practices are being short-changed, I also think you need to recognize the realities of most classroom teachers. It is May, the end of the year, and we are burnt out. We are given, on average, 1 hour a day to plan creative and innovative lessons that motivate all students to enthusiastically excel beyond minimum expectations AND catch up on paperwork, administrative responsibilities, communication with parents and peers, etc etc. IS this the fault of the teacher or the system? In order to have more exciting and engaging lessons and learning, I propose that teachers be given a lot more time to create and implement lessons that will motivate students to attend and achieve. But something&#8217;s gotta go; either pay us more money to work the many extra hours required to pull this off OR require that students come to school less hours of the day, but are guaranteed a more engaging environment for learning. Can you come up with something better and doable that doesn&#8217;t burn out those of us who do want to provide for ideals, but also have some balance in work/life?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes, I've been reading your blog for a few months now (not sure how I found it) but you've been a great resource and inspiration for me.  I am not a professional teacher but I am starting a FIRST Lego League team with my son.  I've decided to try to incorporate as much online/Web 2.0 material as is reasonable into my work with the team - which includes an 8-week robotics course over the summer prior to actual FLL competition.

Your rant resonates with me - as a teenager in Texas public high school, I was on fire with self-directed learning.  I remember more about the books and knowledge I discovered on my own during the 70's than actual high school.  When I reached college, I found out that I'd taught myself a major portion of the first two years of a BA in Music. I have some ideas about how I got started and hope I can pass my enthusiasm for learning to my children and his friends.

My son also participated in something like AR this past year.  I've been wondering how much it was killing his appetite for reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes, I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for a few months now (not sure how I found it) but you&#8217;ve been a great resource and inspiration for me.  I am not a professional teacher but I am starting a FIRST Lego League team with my son.  I&#8217;ve decided to try to incorporate as much online/Web 2.0 material as is reasonable into my work with the team - which includes an 8-week robotics course over the summer prior to actual FLL competition.</p>
<p>Your rant resonates with me - as a teenager in Texas public high school, I was on fire with self-directed learning.  I remember more about the books and knowledge I discovered on my own during the 70&#8217;s than actual high school.  When I reached college, I found out that I&#8217;d taught myself a major portion of the first two years of a BA in Music. I have some ideas about how I got started and hope I can pass my enthusiasm for learning to my children and his friends.</p>
<p>My son also participated in something like AR this past year.  I&#8217;ve been wondering how much it was killing his appetite for reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Go Read Wes &#124; Bit By Bit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go Read Wes &#124; Bit By Bit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rick Tanski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Tanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes,I started out with just a few thoughts to respond to this topic and wound up with an entire post. I didn't think it appropriate to post the entire entry as a comment, so here's the link. http://ricktanski.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/coercion-through-competition/. Your thoughts fall right in line with a book I've been reading, Unencorporating Education by Dr. William Cook, Jr. Here's part of the book that meshed with your entry here; and as a result, got me going... “The purpose of education  in a free society must be to liberate the full powers of the individual toward the common good…The common good is not served by the loss of any person…No democracy has any business accepting, much less supporting, any endeavor that does not hold the good of the individual  and the good of the society to be the same…To put it another way, education must not be the means by which individuals pursue their own goals to the detriment of others…And it is not a contest to be won…it is on this point that democracy and capitalism collide” (p 129-130, Unencorporating Education).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes,I started out with just a few thoughts to respond to this topic and wound up with an entire post. I didn&#8217;t think it appropriate to post the entire entry as a comment, so here&#8217;s the link. <a href="http://ricktanski.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/coercion-through-competition/" rel="nofollow">http://ricktanski.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/coercion-through-competition/</a>. Your thoughts fall right in line with a book I&#8217;ve been reading, Unencorporating Education by Dr. William Cook, Jr. Here&#8217;s part of the book that meshed with your entry here; and as a result, got me going&#8230; “The purpose of education  in a free society must be to liberate the full powers of the individual toward the common good…The common good is not served by the loss of any person…No democracy has any business accepting, much less supporting, any endeavor that does not hold the good of the individual  and the good of the society to be the same…To put it another way, education must not be the means by which individuals pursue their own goals to the detriment of others…And it is not a contest to be won…it is on this point that democracy and capitalism collide” (p 129-130, Unencorporating Education).</p>
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		<title>By: Coercion through Competition &#171; Fits &#38; Fugues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coercion through Competition &#171; Fits &#38; Fugues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Rick Tanski on May 19, 2008  This post started out as a comment on Wes Fryer&#8217;s Looking beyond coercion, tests and seat time post from May 19. I found myself with rather a lot to write about on the topic and didn&#8217;t think it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kent Chesnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Chesnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes,
Yikes!  I'd never really thought about this... Very insightful - and it should be inciteful!  One question - are the first 8.5 months of the school year much better?
Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes,<br />
Yikes!  I&#8217;d never really thought about this&#8230; Very insightful - and it should be inciteful!  One question - are the first 8.5 months of the school year much better?<br />
Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: John Kain</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/05/19/looking-beyond-coercion-tests-and-seat-time/#comment-52293</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. It made me think of a funny yet sad anecdote that educational consultant Larry Lezotte tells at his workshops: a principal is showing him around the school. Larry notices a sign that says "Attendance Office." Larry jokingly says to the principal,  "Where's the Learning Office?" The principal, not joking, answers, "Learning Office? What are you talking about? There's no money in learning!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. It made me think of a funny yet sad anecdote that educational consultant Larry Lezotte tells at his workshops: a principal is showing him around the school. Larry notices a sign that says &#8220;Attendance Office.&#8221; Larry jokingly says to the principal,  &#8220;Where&#8217;s the Learning Office?&#8221; The principal, not joking, answers, &#8220;Learning Office? What are you talking about? There&#8217;s no money in learning!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Oakes</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/05/19/looking-beyond-coercion-tests-and-seat-time/#comment-52284</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Oakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes!You might also hear the argument that teachers have  a contract to live up to and must fulfill their number of school days as well as student fulfilling seat time.Maybe not the best example, but an example.
Here is how I envision my end of the school year. We don't end until mid to late June. 
Teachers close all grades.
______ Camp. You choose, science, geography, math, literature.
Everyone is engaged in camp like activities for their instruction on the topic and theme.
We chose estuaries one year and included music, physical education, poetry, literature, science experiments, geography.
We had cook outs at lunch.
Popsicles at the end of the day.
Crafts about the subject of the day.
Everyone wanted to come to Camp!
Teachers planned a lesson per day and then students cycled through the classrooms or outdoor rooms.
Now that is engaging! * not one movie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes!You might also hear the argument that teachers have  a contract to live up to and must fulfill their number of school days as well as student fulfilling seat time.Maybe not the best example, but an example.<br />
Here is how I envision my end of the school year. We don&#8217;t end until mid to late June.<br />
Teachers close all grades.<br />
______ Camp. You choose, science, geography, math, literature.<br />
Everyone is engaged in camp like activities for their instruction on the topic and theme.<br />
We chose estuaries one year and included music, physical education, poetry, literature, science experiments, geography.<br />
We had cook outs at lunch.<br />
Popsicles at the end of the day.<br />
Crafts about the subject of the day.<br />
Everyone wanted to come to Camp!<br />
Teachers planned a lesson per day and then students cycled through the classrooms or outdoor rooms.<br />
Now that is engaging! * not one movie!</p>
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