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	<title>Comments on: No Ning networks for students under age 13, Monitored ePals email Accounts</title>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Karli, thank YOU for sharing this information-- I must have been misinformed about ePals permitting email outside the system... I read the following on the &lt;a href="http://www.epals.com/help/safety/" rel="nofollow"&gt;ePals Internet Safety tips page&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;ePals members can only be contacted by an adult who has an approved ePals profile. You will always be able to find basic information about every member who contacts you through ePals. ePals staff will have additional information on every person who connects with you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So others emailing your students have to be using ePals mail also. I can understand the benefit of this, but this also introduces some limitations. The key here is accountability I think: ePals is providing an email environment where people who contact your students are accountable because they have a verified profile on the website.

I'd be interested to learn what you end up going with in terms of student email.

For parents, another option worth checking out that is $1 per month per child is &lt;a href="http://www.zoobuh.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Zoobah&lt;/a&gt;. I have not used it personally but am going to check it out. I was thinking I'd recommend that my own kids use their ePals accounts as their primary email addresses, but since there is this limit on external contacts that won't work for them to use as a "regular" email account. I think Zoobah will. It's designed for parents rather than teachers though. With COPPA requirements for parental permission I think it can be a good route to encourage parent setup of children's email accounts when they are under 13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Karli, thank YOU for sharing this information&#8211; I must have been misinformed about ePals permitting email outside the system&#8230; I read the following on the <a href="http://www.epals.com/help/safety/" rel="nofollow">ePals Internet Safety tips page</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>ePals members can only be contacted by an adult who has an approved ePals profile. You will always be able to find basic information about every member who contacts you through ePals. ePals staff will have additional information on every person who connects with you.</p></blockquote>
<p>So others emailing your students have to be using ePals mail also. I can understand the benefit of this, but this also introduces some limitations. The key here is accountability I think: ePals is providing an email environment where people who contact your students are accountable because they have a verified profile on the website.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to learn what you end up going with in terms of student email.</p>
<p>For parents, another option worth checking out that is $1 per month per child is <a href="http://www.zoobuh.com/" rel="nofollow">Zoobah</a>. I have not used it personally but am going to check it out. I was thinking I&#8217;d recommend that my own kids use their ePals accounts as their primary email addresses, but since there is this limit on external contacts that won&#8217;t work for them to use as a &#8220;regular&#8221; email account. I think Zoobah will. It&#8217;s designed for parents rather than teachers though. With COPPA requirements for parental permission I think it can be a good route to encourage parent setup of children&#8217;s email accounts when they are under 13.</p>
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		<title>By: Karli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note about monitored email - you can run google apps through gaggle to create a monitored email system so that students are also connected to the additional google tools.  But it costs $$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note about monitored email - you can run google apps through gaggle to create a monitored email system so that students are also connected to the additional google tools.  But it costs $$.</p>
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		<title>By: Karli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did receive this message from epals a couple weeks ago, "ePals Global Community student accounts are not permitted to email non-ePals users.   They cannot send or receive emails from any outside domains". Perhaps it is the basic free version that I signed up for. We used epals several years ago and at that time student accounts were not restricted to the epals community.  Yes, I have thought about gaggle and will most likely go that route. I know that many of our students have their own email accounts while others are only just beginning to discuss obtaining accounts with their parents.  Having a monitored email system for students is so important for the students as well as the parents. Our students are so excited about the possibility of new email accounts and our Ning community (they are all older than 12).  Thanks for the information!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did receive this message from epals a couple weeks ago, &#8220;ePals Global Community student accounts are not permitted to email non-ePals users.   They cannot send or receive emails from any outside domains&#8221;. Perhaps it is the basic free version that I signed up for. We used epals several years ago and at that time student accounts were not restricted to the epals community.  Yes, I have thought about gaggle and will most likely go that route. I know that many of our students have their own email accounts while others are only just beginning to discuss obtaining accounts with their parents.  Having a monitored email system for students is so important for the students as well as the parents. Our students are so excited about the possibility of new email accounts and our Ning community (they are all older than 12).  Thanks for the information!</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/08/24/no-ning-networks-for-students-under-age-13-monitored-epal-email-accounts/comment-page-1/#comment-58378</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karli: I was under the same impression about ePals that the free version didn't allow outside emailing, but my understanding now is that this is NOT true. A free ePals email account is just as capable and useful as a Gmail or Yahoo email account in terms of being able to email/contact anyone the student wants to contact, but the monitoring features are available.

&lt;a href="http://www.gaggle.net" rel="nofollow"&gt;Gaggle.net&lt;/a&gt; is another provider of monitored student email, and they do provide a free version as well. It includes advertising and has smaller mailbox quotas for students. They have some paid options too with more features, but my understanding is that with a free Gaggle email account or a free ePals account students CAN email others outside those particular email networks. &lt;a href="http://www.gaggle.net/coppa.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Gaggle has a page on COPPA compliance&lt;/a&gt; which is worth reading and checking out whether you are using Gaggle for email or not, the responsibilities of school leaders to get parent permission and monitor use are the same with whatever service you go with.

I strongly recommend that schools and teachers use a monitored email service like ePals or Gaggle for student email accounts. Of course students do and will have their own email accounts outside the scope of the school or teacher's control, but if you're officially encouraging students to setup email accounts I think it makes sense from a practical as well as liability standpoint to use a monitored solution like ePals or Gaggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karli: I was under the same impression about ePals that the free version didn&#8217;t allow outside emailing, but my understanding now is that this is NOT true. A free ePals email account is just as capable and useful as a Gmail or Yahoo email account in terms of being able to email/contact anyone the student wants to contact, but the monitoring features are available.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gaggle.net" rel="nofollow">Gaggle.net</a> is another provider of monitored student email, and they do provide a free version as well. It includes advertising and has smaller mailbox quotas for students. They have some paid options too with more features, but my understanding is that with a free Gaggle email account or a free ePals account students CAN email others outside those particular email networks. <a href="http://www.gaggle.net/coppa.html" rel="nofollow">Gaggle has a page on COPPA compliance</a> which is worth reading and checking out whether you are using Gaggle for email or not, the responsibilities of school leaders to get parent permission and monitor use are the same with whatever service you go with.</p>
<p>I strongly recommend that schools and teachers use a monitored email service like ePals or Gaggle for student email accounts. Of course students do and will have their own email accounts outside the scope of the school or teacher&#8217;s control, but if you&#8217;re officially encouraging students to setup email accounts I think it makes sense from a practical as well as liability standpoint to use a monitored solution like ePals or Gaggle.</p>
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		<title>By: Karli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy reading your blog and frequently look at your resources and links - I've learned a lot.  I want to ask you about Epals - it is my understanding that the free version (at least) does not allow students to send or receive email outside of epals.  I also tried to have students use it to sign up for Ning and other webtools but it does not work for tools that require you to respond to a message at sign up.  I am interested in any other web based monitored email tools.  I made a Google Apps account just for our students to sign up for web tools (which would be very nice to use), but of course the free version is not set up for monitoring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy reading your blog and frequently look at your resources and links - I&#8217;ve learned a lot.  I want to ask you about Epals - it is my understanding that the free version (at least) does not allow students to send or receive email outside of epals.  I also tried to have students use it to sign up for Ning and other webtools but it does not work for tools that require you to respond to a message at sign up.  I am interested in any other web based monitored email tools.  I made a Google Apps account just for our students to sign up for web tools (which would be very nice to use), but of course the free version is not set up for monitoring.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Guhlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Guhlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes, if you're already using Drupal for StoryChasers and it's so easy to setup a community using Drupal, why consider Ning at this point? Did you want to be able to give the Ning over to Grapple folks later?

Another possibility - why not setup a Moodle as part of your existing site(s)? If Grapple decides they want it to host on their own domain, you can just move the whole thing over to a new server.

I don't get why you want a Ning when you have FOSS alternative (e.g. Drupal or Moodle) available.

Miguel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes, if you&#8217;re already using Drupal for StoryChasers and it&#8217;s so easy to setup a community using Drupal, why consider Ning at this point? Did you want to be able to give the Ning over to Grapple folks later?</p>
<p>Another possibility - why not setup a Moodle as part of your existing site(s)? If Grapple decides they want it to host on their own domain, you can just move the whole thing over to a new server.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get why you want a Ning when you have FOSS alternative (e.g. Drupal or Moodle) available.</p>
<p>Miguel</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very timely for me.  I'm an educator looking for a social network AND I teach the Grapple class at our church.  I was always disappointed with the online component, but they just recently made some changes that at least makes it better.  I wanted to use a NING for that class as well, and one for my chorus class.  I guess I'll keep looking for options!  Thanks for the info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very timely for me.  I&#8217;m an educator looking for a social network AND I teach the Grapple class at our church.  I was always disappointed with the online component, but they just recently made some changes that at least makes it better.  I wanted to use a NING for that class as well, and one for my chorus class.  I guess I&#8217;ll keep looking for options!  Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/08/24/no-ning-networks-for-students-under-age-13-monitored-epal-email-accounts/comment-page-1/#comment-58303</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imbee is a definite option but I haven't checked into it lately. I'm not sure how well suited it is for classroom use, it was originally conceived as a social networking environment for younger kids that parents could monitor. I honestly haven't checked it out lately though. I should look at Imbee again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imbee is a definite option but I haven&#8217;t checked into it lately. I&#8217;m not sure how well suited it is for classroom use, it was originally conceived as a social networking environment for younger kids that parents could monitor. I honestly haven&#8217;t checked it out lately though. I should look at Imbee again.</p>
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		<title>By: James Sigler</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Sigler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had already figured as much because of COPPA and Ning being a social network.  What about Imbee http://imbee.com?  

I had been thinking about using ePals email.  Thanks for the insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had already figured as much because of COPPA and Ning being a social network.  What about Imbee <a href="http://imbee.com?" rel="nofollow">http://imbee.com?</a>  </p>
<p>I had been thinking about using ePals email.  Thanks for the insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Oakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Oakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this information! Just in time too.
Cheryl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this information! Just in time too.<br />
Cheryl</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Broos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Broos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this post. I was unaware that ning can only be used by +13 crowd. I love nings and was going to set up one for my classroom, now I won't. I will look at other avenues to share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this post. I was unaware that ning can only be used by +13 crowd. I love nings and was going to set up one for my classroom, now I won&#8217;t. I will look at other avenues to share.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, sent you a private email on this. Don't want to get anyone excited, but on the Ning thing -- the use there is not coming from COPPA but may be something that can be worked through.  Let's talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, sent you a private email on this. Don&#8217;t want to get anyone excited, but on the Ning thing &#8212; the use there is not coming from COPPA but may be something that can be worked through.  Let&#8217;s talk.</p>
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