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		<title>By: AKA Riptide Furse &#187; What I Learned about on September 8th</title>
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		<dc:creator>AKA Riptide Furse &#187; What I Learned about on September 8th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Texas Technology Immersion Project &#124; Room With A View</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas Technology Immersion Project &#124; Room With A View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Technology Immersion Project Filed under: 1-to-1 &#8212; Rob @ 11:19 am and  Thanks to Wesley Fryer for pointing out the Year Three evaluation report of the Texas Technology Immersion Project. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Technology Immersion Project Filed under: 1-to-1 &#8212; Rob @ 11:19 am and  Thanks to Wesley Fryer for pointing out the Year Three evaluation report of the Texas Technology Immersion Project. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/09/03/tcer-year-3-evaluation-of-txtip/comment-page-1/#comment-58615</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darin: TCO calculations are definitely very important. I have heard nightmare stories about Windows-based laptops stacked up in closets because the school district and/or the vendor they worked with didn't have workflow processes in place which turned them around quickly and got them repaired and back in the hands of users quickly.

I own a 1st gen Macbook myself and have had much more trouble with it than any other mac I've owned before. A later model my wife has has not had those problems. I used the heck out of my MacBook the past 2 years and was always glad there wasn't a warranty "clock hours" limit because I was sure I'd have exceeded "normal use time...." Warranty repair percentages certainly should be lower than 10% to be reasonable.

I'd love to see Apple come out with a laptop focused specifically on education and priced much less as well, in the $500 range or less. I don't know if we'll see that or not. I think we'll continue to see the downward pressure on laptop pricing coming from those advocating for Linux and open platforms. I need to use Linux more and specifically use video editing applications on Linux. While I am a big fan of Macs and have seen great successes in laptop initiatives using Macs, as I said in the post if it was up to me I would also explore the option of going with a Linux computing platform for a 1:1 initiative. I think the vision of the project needs to drive the hardware and software acquisition process. What do you want and expect learners to do with these computers? One of the biggest struggles is helping people see beyond more traditional productivity software use and web 1.0 Internet use.

In terms of "success" with laptop initiative using Macs, I agree with you that my experience tells me Apple has a lot to do with past successes, but research reports like this one from TCER also support this. I think it is important that we base our recommendations and perceptions not only on our own experiences but also on research, and many of the documents coming out of TxTIP are helpful in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darin: TCO calculations are definitely very important. I have heard nightmare stories about Windows-based laptops stacked up in closets because the school district and/or the vendor they worked with didn&#8217;t have workflow processes in place which turned them around quickly and got them repaired and back in the hands of users quickly.</p>
<p>I own a 1st gen Macbook myself and have had much more trouble with it than any other mac I&#8217;ve owned before. A later model my wife has has not had those problems. I used the heck out of my MacBook the past 2 years and was always glad there wasn&#8217;t a warranty &#8220;clock hours&#8221; limit because I was sure I&#8217;d have exceeded &#8220;normal use time&#8230;.&#8221; Warranty repair percentages certainly should be lower than 10% to be reasonable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see Apple come out with a laptop focused specifically on education and priced much less as well, in the $500 range or less. I don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;ll see that or not. I think we&#8217;ll continue to see the downward pressure on laptop pricing coming from those advocating for Linux and open platforms. I need to use Linux more and specifically use video editing applications on Linux. While I am a big fan of Macs and have seen great successes in laptop initiatives using Macs, as I said in the post if it was up to me I would also explore the option of going with a Linux computing platform for a 1:1 initiative. I think the vision of the project needs to drive the hardware and software acquisition process. What do you want and expect learners to do with these computers? One of the biggest struggles is helping people see beyond more traditional productivity software use and web 1.0 Internet use.</p>
<p>In terms of &#8220;success&#8221; with laptop initiative using Macs, I agree with you that my experience tells me Apple has a lot to do with past successes, but research reports like this one from TCER also support this. I think it is important that we base our recommendations and perceptions not only on our own experiences but also on research, and many of the documents coming out of TxTIP are helpful in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Darin King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would tend to agree with the premise of your post.  The iLife suite of software is excellent for promoting project based, constructivist experiences for students.  Our district has been mainly Macs since the early 1990's.

I do have some issues with Macs.  

1. The overall quality of Apple products has decreased dramatically the past 3-4 years.  For example, we purchased 500+ Macbooks in 2006 and OVER 35% have needed warranty repairs.  Completely unacceptable. Shoddy system boards, CD drives, hinges and cases.  For comparison, our 200+ HP laptops purchased at the same time have had about 6% warranty repairs.

2. Mac's are priced way too high.  Have you ever tried to explain to a school board member why a DVD burner costs an extra $200 on a Mac?  They look at you like you are an idiot.  Or how about why, after about 8-12 months of a new software release, the newest hardware suddenly stops running the older software? Or, why do we have to pay for a 3 year warranty when it is included in other business class computers that already cost less?  These are real life questions that school board members will ask.  

When I started in Ed Tech back in the mid 90's, I could and did easily defend our district purchasing Mac's for many years.  It is getting much much harder lately.

But, back to the issue.  I do believe that schools that use Mac's are more likely to have successful 1:1 initiatives.  Is it because of the hardware and/or software?  I would suggest there are many variables that come into play, but my experience still tells me the Mac's have something to do with the success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would tend to agree with the premise of your post.  The iLife suite of software is excellent for promoting project based, constructivist experiences for students.  Our district has been mainly Macs since the early 1990&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I do have some issues with Macs.  </p>
<p>1. The overall quality of Apple products has decreased dramatically the past 3-4 years.  For example, we purchased 500+ Macbooks in 2006 and OVER 35% have needed warranty repairs.  Completely unacceptable. Shoddy system boards, CD drives, hinges and cases.  For comparison, our 200+ HP laptops purchased at the same time have had about 6% warranty repairs.</p>
<p>2. Mac&#8217;s are priced way too high.  Have you ever tried to explain to a school board member why a DVD burner costs an extra $200 on a Mac?  They look at you like you are an idiot.  Or how about why, after about 8-12 months of a new software release, the newest hardware suddenly stops running the older software? Or, why do we have to pay for a 3 year warranty when it is included in other business class computers that already cost less?  These are real life questions that school board members will ask.  </p>
<p>When I started in Ed Tech back in the mid 90&#8217;s, I could and did easily defend our district purchasing Mac&#8217;s for many years.  It is getting much much harder lately.</p>
<p>But, back to the issue.  I do believe that schools that use Mac&#8217;s are more likely to have successful 1:1 initiatives.  Is it because of the hardware and/or software?  I would suggest there are many variables that come into play, but my experience still tells me the Mac&#8217;s have something to do with the success.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/09/03/tcer-year-3-evaluation-of-txtip/comment-page-1/#comment-58606</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my encouragement to you in your situation is to make sure you purchase and obtain enough commercial and open source software packages so the laptops become creativity, collaboration and communication tools for students instead of just eBooks and word processors. Certainly with web 2.0 tools just a web browser can be a very powerful tool, but I think we still need plenty of educational software programs loaded on student laptops-- and I'm not talking "math blaster." This &lt;a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities" rel="nofollow"&gt;list of software programs which comes pre-installed on the XO laptop&lt;/a&gt; is worth checking out, especially since all those programs are free/open source. Some may just run on Linux but I think many can run in a Windows environment too.

If you are really serious about affordable laptops, I hope you're looking at Linux. Sadly when I was at NECC talking to some of the resellers of the Intel ClassmatePC, I learned at least one of them was NOT going to discount their laptops at all when customers went with Linux instead of Windows. They were just going to keep that extra money that the school wasn't going to pay for a Microsoft license and NOT pass the savings on to the educational customer. How wrong is that?! Hopefully that will change, but I didn't hear any indication of it changing at NECC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my encouragement to you in your situation is to make sure you purchase and obtain enough commercial and open source software packages so the laptops become creativity, collaboration and communication tools for students instead of just eBooks and word processors. Certainly with web 2.0 tools just a web browser can be a very powerful tool, but I think we still need plenty of educational software programs loaded on student laptops&#8211; and I&#8217;m not talking &#8220;math blaster.&#8221; This <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities" rel="nofollow">list of software programs which comes pre-installed on the XO laptop</a> is worth checking out, especially since all those programs are free/open source. Some may just run on Linux but I think many can run in a Windows environment too.</p>
<p>If you are really serious about affordable laptops, I hope you&#8217;re looking at Linux. Sadly when I was at NECC talking to some of the resellers of the Intel ClassmatePC, I learned at least one of them was NOT going to discount their laptops at all when customers went with Linux instead of Windows. They were just going to keep that extra money that the school wasn&#8217;t going to pay for a Microsoft license and NOT pass the savings on to the educational customer. How wrong is that?! Hopefully that will change, but I didn&#8217;t hear any indication of it changing at NECC.</p>
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		<title>By: wmchamberlain</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmchamberlain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a first time owner of a Macbook, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, I am still hoping for enough money in the tech budget next year to be able to purchase enough $400 laptops for one 1 to 1 classroom. I love the Macs, but I can't afford to purchase them for a classroom. It just isn't economically feasible. (Not to mention my tech guys would have a heart attack if they thought they would have to support them!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a first time owner of a Macbook, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, I am still hoping for enough money in the tech budget next year to be able to purchase enough $400 laptops for one 1 to 1 classroom. I love the Macs, but I can&#8217;t afford to purchase them for a classroom. It just isn&#8217;t economically feasible. (Not to mention my tech guys would have a heart attack if they thought they would have to support them!)</p>
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		<title>By: John Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes;

Great story about laptop initiatives.  Our school district gave all of our teachers Apple Macbook laptops this year.  I hope to see it extended to our students in the future.  When you look at how well Floydada has done and what their students have the potential to learn it is just pretty amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes;</p>
<p>Great story about laptop initiatives.  Our school district gave all of our teachers Apple Macbook laptops this year.  I hope to see it extended to our students in the future.  When you look at how well Floydada has done and what their students have the potential to learn it is just pretty amazing.</p>
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