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	<title>Comments on: Questioning the potential value of Skype and videoconferencing in the classroom?</title>
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	<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2009/08/21/questioning-the-potential-value-of-skype-and-videoconferencing-in-the-classroom/</link>
	<description>Weblog of Wesley Fryer</description>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K-12 Public education in rural areas receives little to no funding for the type of bandwidth you&#039;re talking about. There&#039;s a huge difference between businesses, universities, and public primary education and specifically where the money comes from and exactly how much. Over half of our entire technology funds are allocated immediately to bandwidth costs for the year (over half a million) and guess what....we have a whopping 10 Mbits of speed per school! Ever try to run 1500 users through a single 10 meg pipe?! Odds are, you have a faster connection at home but you&#039;re not paying for the large WAN infrastructure to support it. Until taxpayers are willing to pay more out of pocket for little Susie to use more bandwidth, or the service providers are willing to cut their costs in half, we&#039;re stuck with what we have! 

We&#039;re the bad guys for trying to keep the network running and limiting the bandwidth hogging applications. When the applications work, we&#039;re the bad guys because the network is deathly slow and no longer works. Fix it they say! 

I guess there&#039;s no middle ground here huh? No censorship is a great idea until you&#039;re the one who has to answer for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K-12 Public education in rural areas receives little to no funding for the type of bandwidth you&#8217;re talking about. There&#8217;s a huge difference between businesses, universities, and public primary education and specifically where the money comes from and exactly how much. Over half of our entire technology funds are allocated immediately to bandwidth costs for the year (over half a million) and guess what&#8230;.we have a whopping 10 Mbits of speed per school! Ever try to run 1500 users through a single 10 meg pipe?! Odds are, you have a faster connection at home but you&#8217;re not paying for the large WAN infrastructure to support it. Until taxpayers are willing to pay more out of pocket for little Susie to use more bandwidth, or the service providers are willing to cut their costs in half, we&#8217;re stuck with what we have! </p>
<p>We&#8217;re the bad guys for trying to keep the network running and limiting the bandwidth hogging applications. When the applications work, we&#8217;re the bad guys because the network is deathly slow and no longer works. Fix it they say! </p>
<p>I guess there&#8217;s no middle ground here huh? No censorship is a great idea until you&#8217;re the one who has to answer for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Debating the propriety of blanket censorship by school IT departments &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2009/08/21/questioning-the-potential-value-of-skype-and-videoconferencing-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-103785</link>
		<dc:creator>Debating the propriety of blanket censorship by school IT departments &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] received the following comment today on my August 21, 2009 post, &#8220;Questioning the potential value of Skype and videoconferencing in the classroom?&#8221; from Ricky. He began his comment by quoting a sentence of my post with which he took issue, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] received the following comment today on my August 21, 2009 post, &#8220;Questioning the potential value of Skype and videoconferencing in the classroom?&#8221; from Ricky. He began his comment by quoting a sentence of my post with which he took issue, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2009/08/21/questioning-the-potential-value-of-skype-and-videoconferencing-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-103784</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricky:

Interesting I&#039;m able to use Skype on numerous commercial and residential networks and those networks do not seem to have committed &quot;network suicide.&quot;

Skype has numerous &quot;legitimate educational purposes.&quot; I use it all the time for professional work as well as providing professional development. Many in IT are unaware of the educational benefits of Skype and similar desktop videoconferencing programs. One of the largest public school districts in our state decided in the last year not to order any webcams for any laptops that were going to be used by students, because they did not consider webcams to have any valid educational use. This perception is both false and unfortunate. Like any tool, a webcam can be abused. The inappropriate uses of a tool by a small minority of users should not result it the banning of the tool for use by all users. Sadly this is what we see time and time again in educational IT circles.

Of course you are correct that &quot;online educational applications&quot; should not be put &quot;at risk&quot; by other technology tools being used on networks with limited bandwidth. That is why our school / educational networks at the K-12 level need to look more like networks at our colleges and universities: Separate VLANs for public wifi, allocated bandwidth for institutional IT purposes, student/public use, etc.

I have never advocated the use of educational networks to distractedly watch YouTube videos all day long and social network using sites like Facebook. Users should be permitted to make these choices, however, and network use should be monitored and discussed with users. If a teacher is watching YouTube all day long instead of teaching his/her class at school, that&#039;s certainly a problem and would be an ADMINISTRATIVE problem for the principal to address, not the IT department by banning all staff and students from using the website YouTube.

The decision to prohibit these destinations by the IT department is inappropriate censorship which can be more readily understood in a closed society like China, but not in an ostensibly free society like ours in the United States which values both free expression and open access to ideas.

Most of our school districts need far more bandwidth today than they have currently. We need greater involvement by state and federal government to make high speed Internet access more accessible and affordable in many areas, especially our rural communities. The differences in access and pricing for broadband in countries like Korea and Japan is stark when compared to the United States. We didn&#039;t wait for corporations with ROI calculations to provide electrification for our rural communities in the United States in the 1940s and 1950s. We formed co-ops which had governmental support to insure these needed services were supplied to all areas. We need to do the same thing with broadband.

Larry Lessig discusses the phenomenon we&#039;re seeing here with IT administrators in his book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375726446?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=discoveringharry&amp;linkCode=xm2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creativeASIN=0375726446&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; Technological tools provide great latitude for censorship in our organizational networks today. The availability and possibility of such censorship does not coincide with its propriety in a free and open society. Certainly we have limits and constraints on openness in our country, I am far from an anarchist and am not saying the IT department doesn&#039;t have an important role to play in monitoring and at times regulating bandwidth utilization on the network. I am saying that blanket prohibition of sites like YouTube, Skype, Facebook, etc, is wrong and inappropriate in our educational institutions because it amounts to censorship above the paygrade of the IT department to mandate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricky:</p>
<p>Interesting I&#8217;m able to use Skype on numerous commercial and residential networks and those networks do not seem to have committed &#8220;network suicide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Skype has numerous &#8220;legitimate educational purposes.&#8221; I use it all the time for professional work as well as providing professional development. Many in IT are unaware of the educational benefits of Skype and similar desktop videoconferencing programs. One of the largest public school districts in our state decided in the last year not to order any webcams for any laptops that were going to be used by students, because they did not consider webcams to have any valid educational use. This perception is both false and unfortunate. Like any tool, a webcam can be abused. The inappropriate uses of a tool by a small minority of users should not result it the banning of the tool for use by all users. Sadly this is what we see time and time again in educational IT circles.</p>
<p>Of course you are correct that &#8220;online educational applications&#8221; should not be put &#8220;at risk&#8221; by other technology tools being used on networks with limited bandwidth. That is why our school / educational networks at the K-12 level need to look more like networks at our colleges and universities: Separate VLANs for public wifi, allocated bandwidth for institutional IT purposes, student/public use, etc.</p>
<p>I have never advocated the use of educational networks to distractedly watch YouTube videos all day long and social network using sites like Facebook. Users should be permitted to make these choices, however, and network use should be monitored and discussed with users. If a teacher is watching YouTube all day long instead of teaching his/her class at school, that&#8217;s certainly a problem and would be an ADMINISTRATIVE problem for the principal to address, not the IT department by banning all staff and students from using the website YouTube.</p>
<p>The decision to prohibit these destinations by the IT department is inappropriate censorship which can be more readily understood in a closed society like China, but not in an ostensibly free society like ours in the United States which values both free expression and open access to ideas.</p>
<p>Most of our school districts need far more bandwidth today than they have currently. We need greater involvement by state and federal government to make high speed Internet access more accessible and affordable in many areas, especially our rural communities. The differences in access and pricing for broadband in countries like Korea and Japan is stark when compared to the United States. We didn&#8217;t wait for corporations with ROI calculations to provide electrification for our rural communities in the United States in the 1940s and 1950s. We formed co-ops which had governmental support to insure these needed services were supplied to all areas. We need to do the same thing with broadband.</p>
<p>Larry Lessig discusses the phenomenon we&#8217;re seeing here with IT administrators in his book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375726446?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=discoveringharry&#038;linkCode=xm2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creativeASIN=0375726446" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World.&#8221;</a> Technological tools provide great latitude for censorship in our organizational networks today. The availability and possibility of such censorship does not coincide with its propriety in a free and open society. Certainly we have limits and constraints on openness in our country, I am far from an anarchist and am not saying the IT department doesn&#8217;t have an important role to play in monitoring and at times regulating bandwidth utilization on the network. I am saying that blanket prohibition of sites like YouTube, Skype, Facebook, etc, is wrong and inappropriate in our educational institutions because it amounts to censorship above the paygrade of the IT department to mandate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2009/08/21/questioning-the-potential-value-of-skype-and-videoconferencing-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-103742</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we need to make sure that networks work FOR THE USERS, not the IT department.&quot;

99% of end-users have no concept of how IT/Networking works. It is the job of the IT department to ensure that the network continues to function first and foremost for legitimate educational purposes. While being a potentially great technology tool, it should not put other online educational applications at risk for failure simply because it&#039;s the new &quot;super cool&quot; technology kid on the block. I&#039;m also certain that taxpayers would be thrilled to know that they pay the salaries for educators to use skype/youtube/facebook/etc. for things that aren&#039;t instruction related throughout the workday! 
Enabling access to Skype for all users with clients operating in &quot;SuperNode&quot; mode is network suicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we need to make sure that networks work FOR THE USERS, not the IT department.&#8221;</p>
<p>99% of end-users have no concept of how IT/Networking works. It is the job of the IT department to ensure that the network continues to function first and foremost for legitimate educational purposes. While being a potentially great technology tool, it should not put other online educational applications at risk for failure simply because it&#8217;s the new &#8220;super cool&#8221; technology kid on the block. I&#8217;m also certain that taxpayers would be thrilled to know that they pay the salaries for educators to use skype/youtube/facebook/etc. for things that aren&#8217;t instruction related throughout the workday!<br />
Enabling access to Skype for all users with clients operating in &#8220;SuperNode&#8221; mode is network suicide.</p>
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		<title>By: sylvia martinez</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2009/08/21/questioning-the-potential-value-of-skype-and-videoconferencing-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-95269</link>
		<dc:creator>sylvia martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the &quot;hat tip&quot; - you are so right, we need to make sure that networks work FOR THE USERS, not the IT department. It&#039;s so wonderful to run across some IT teams who get that learning is sometimes messy, and that is more important than a perfect network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the &#8220;hat tip&#8221; &#8211; you are so right, we need to make sure that networks work FOR THE USERS, not the IT department. It&#8217;s so wonderful to run across some IT teams who get that learning is sometimes messy, and that is more important than a perfect network.</p>
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		<title>By: Langwitches Blog &#187; links for 2009-08-22</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2009/08/21/questioning-the-potential-value-of-skype-and-videoconferencing-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-94667</link>
		<dc:creator>Langwitches Blog &#187; links for 2009-08-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Questioning the potential value of Skype and videoconferencing in the classroom? (tags: skype)      &#171; Telling a Story- Creating Poems with Animoto [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kern Kelley</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2009/08/21/questioning-the-potential-value-of-skype-and-videoconferencing-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-94576</link>
		<dc:creator>Kern Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were part of Langwithes Around the World with 80 Schools which what completely dependent on Skype. 

http://langwitches.org/blog/2009/01/03/around-the-world-with-80-schools/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were part of Langwithes Around the World with 80 Schools which what completely dependent on Skype. </p>
<p><a href="http://langwitches.org/blog/2009/01/03/around-the-world-with-80-schools/" rel="nofollow">http://langwitches.org/blog/2009/01/03/around-the-world-with-80-schools/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ahlness</title>
		<link>http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2009/08/21/questioning-the-potential-value-of-skype-and-videoconferencing-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-94527</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ahlness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Wes, a keeper! I especially love last paragraph. BTW, couldn&#039;t get your share to FB thingy to work (prob. just me...). Thanks - Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Wes, a keeper! I especially love last paragraph. BTW, couldn&#8217;t get your share to FB thingy to work (prob. just me&#8230;). Thanks &#8211; Mark</p>
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		<title>By: John Weidner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Weidner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a time 30+ years ago when in third grade we had a lesson on phone etiquette.   We even had a pair of phones connected together where we could dial the other phone and it would really ring.   

We just moved out of state and we gave a web cam to my son&#039;s best friend so that the two of them could stay in touch.   Our internet service got connected today so I&#039;m sure he will be testing it out tonight.  Soon kids will have been video conferencing long before they start school.   Students will look at their teachers in disbelief if they can&#039;t connect with others to answer a question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a time 30+ years ago when in third grade we had a lesson on phone etiquette.   We even had a pair of phones connected together where we could dial the other phone and it would really ring.   </p>
<p>We just moved out of state and we gave a web cam to my son&#8217;s best friend so that the two of them could stay in touch.   Our internet service got connected today so I&#8217;m sure he will be testing it out tonight.  Soon kids will have been video conferencing long before they start school.   Students will look at their teachers in disbelief if they can&#8217;t connect with others to answer a question.</p>
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