This podcast features a recording of the keynote address by Roger C. Schank at the SITE 2007 conference in San Antonio, Texas, on March 26, 2007. The abstract of Roger’s keynote was: Modern technology seems to have influenced every area of our society, but it has had very little effect on our conceptions of teaching and learning. We still believe that someone who knows a lot should stand up and tell what he knows to people who know less. We believe that this methodology makes sense despite the fact there is no other arena in which this kind of interaction takes place. We don’t lecture to our children; we let them experience life and try to help along the way. We don’t lecture to the people who work for us; we let them do their jobs and try to help as we can. But when we design schools, whether they are on line schools, schools with campuses, or training courses, we still hold firm to the old idea: talk and people will learn. Unfortunately this methodology, derived from a time when only the lecturer could read and so it made sense for him to read to people is not simply out of date, it doesn’t actually work. What is the point of technology in education if it fails to enable experience? Technology in education is really a Trojan horse, allowing a revolution to begin. The way we teach is wrong and what we teach if wrong. Computers can fix both if we allow it. To do this we must look at how people actually learn, how the teacher’s role needs to be completely rethought, and how computer can re-create real life environments.


  1. About Roger Shank
  2. Socratic Arts (Roger’s company focused on story-based curriculum)
  3. Engines for Education (a nonprofit organization founded by Roger Schank, whose goal is to radically change our notions of school)
  4. My notes from Roger’s keynote

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14 Responses to Podcast142: Rethinking Teaching: How Online Learning Can and Should Completely Alter Your View of Education (Roger C. Schank)

  1. […] Top News Online Business A Twitter in Training wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptThis podcast features a recording of the keynote address by Roger C. Schank at the SITE 2007 conference in San Antonio, Texas, on March 26, 2007. The abstract of Roger’s keynote was: Modern technology seems to have influenced every area … […]

  2. Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this! I enjoyed your notes from the session very much and was hopeful that a podcast would be posted. Can’t wait to listen!

  3. […] Apr 2nd, 2007 by theothersideofthedesk Last week, I referenced a post by Wesley Fryer that contained his notes from a keynote session in San Antonio.  I was mesmerized by the content and didn’t even mind that it was a little bit choppy – it was one fantastic statement after another and it seemed to me that the speaker had so many great things to say that at times, Mr. Fryer just couldn’t keep up.  What a delightful predicament!  Thankfully, Mr. Fryer recorded the session and has now posted it as a podcast on his blog.  I can’t wait to hear it! […]

  4. David Kinane says:

    Wesley, I have been listening to your weekly podcasts for a while now. I am spreading the good word about your site down here in New Zealand. Keep up the good work, your site is a gold mine of information. Thanks.

  5. Wesley Fryer says:


    I am so glad you’ve found my blog and podcast, thanks for sharing it with others! You know, I consider myself to be at least part-kiwi, as I was a summer exchange student to the South Island (in Geraldine) in the summer of 1987 with AFS. If any of the organizations you work with are ever looking to bring in a keynote speaker, please keep me in mind, I’d love to return to your wonderful country and work with your teachers in person!

  6. […] The EdTech message, do you get it? E-school news posted the conclusions from a round table discussion of CoSN (Consortium for Social Networking) conference held March 28 in San Francisco. Their primary concern was how to advocate for change by creating a new breed of teachers to leverage change in schools from within. The tired rhetoric of technology integration must be replaced with a more relevant vocabulary. Integration can no longer be the goal. Technology is the focus of our lives outside of school and school should reflect the advances available in every day life. In other words, technology should be synonymous with learning. Right now, school bares little resemblance to real life. Educational reform advocates like Roger Schank feel the need for reform reaches far beyond adopting a student-technology centered approach. In his view, our antiquated educational system runs on a model built in the late 1800’s completely out of touch with the needs of today’s society. What is it going to take to get a consensus and figure out the logistics of a massive overhauling of the educational system? Sometimes I wonder why states insist on being so independent when it comes to education. Shouldn’t we all be working together towards the same goal? The message is change. The solution comes from the top down. The question is when? For more about what Roger Schank has to say visit Moving at the Speed of Creativity, a blog by Wes Fryer. […]

  7. […] K-12 teachers have historically seen themselves as content experts. That era has past. Yes, we need teachers with content knowledge, but today more than ever thanks to the Internet and the wealth of high-quality digital curriculum there, teachers don’t have to be the content experts anymore. Teachers need to be PEDAGOGICAL EXPERTS much more than they need to be content experts today. Teachers need to be coaches, facilitators, and cheerleaders for students who engage in REAL work as they learn and create knowledge work “deliverables” for prescribed deadlines. That sort of work environment is what Roger Shank was talking about last week in his keynote at SITE, and what his Engines for Education nonprofit is seeking to empower through its digital curriculum series. […]

  8. […] 在这个简短的评论中,霍华德.加德纳(译注:Howard Gardner,哈佛大学著名心理学家,提出多元智能理论,在教育界影响深远)在思考:“印刷、广播和其他沟通媒介正在融合;随着媒介的交融,未来的用户们可能不会再注意到信息的来源或它们的含义。” 这意味着媒介将不再是信息吗?另外一方面,正如Roger Schank所说,“在线学习能够也将会完全改变你的教育观念。” Howard Gardner , Spotlight on DML April 5, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Online Learning, Podcasting] [参与评论] […]

  9. […] Here I am on my holidays. A chance, finally to catch up with Wes Fryer’s podcast142 on the speed of creativity website. The one I listened to last night rang true with me as Roger C. Schank spoke about his view of education. All the notes, wikis, blogs, presentation material etc are all available here from on the Speed of Creativity website so I won’t bother re-linking them all to here as they are 2 clicks away. […]

  10. […] How Online Learning Can and Should Completely Alter Your View of Education (Roger C. Schank) […]

  11. […] How Online Learning Can and Should Completely Alter Your View of Education (Roger C. Schank) […]

  12. […] The availability of content like this is staggering, and reminds me again of Roger Shank’s great keynote at SITE 2 weeks ago. I am not an expert on WikiPedia. Jimmy Wales is, because he INVENTED WikiPedia and works on the site and project probably every day. As a learner and facilitator of learning, it is enormously more powerful, relevant and effective for me to be able to share Jimmy’s own insights on WikiPedia, the project’s philosophy and the impact it is having on overall global knowledge than for me to attempt to communicate elements of those ideas all by myself. […]

  13. […] For more on this line of thinking, listen to what Roger Shank shared at the SITE conference several weeks ago. (Thanks to AHF for this link!) Listen to this blog post as a mp3 audio file […]

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