11th November 2006

Dead and emerging technologies

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Looking at Dead and Emerging Technologies
A panel discussion at HLA 2006

Aaron Schmidt

- floppy disks
- extremely restrictively limited computers in libraries
- CD-ROMS esp for databases: need to pay attention to remote access
- static, boring websites
- Frontpage
- things that Aaron says is dead are still in use

Jessamyn West
Aaron Schmidt and Jessamyn West in our panel today
- the expertise level that comes between those who want to interact with others on the network
- one way streets like PDF files that I can’t get stuff out of
- PDFs not dying, but like other proprietary standards

Victor Edmonds, UC Berkeley
Victor Edmonds and Marshall Breeding in our panel today
- technologies are tools to extend people’s power
- we produce around 100 hours of new video per week: question is what format can we put it in?
- DVD going out, but DV tape costs $30 per hour, that is expensive
- problem: there is no format you can count on, that has emerged like paper
- real problem for people who are producing a lot of video, in the future more of us will be producing a lot of video
- web-based services will replace some of these
- course management systems: for each course, the materials for that course are in that system (Sakai, WebCT and Blackboard)
- students already are saying if my course materials are there, why do you take them away from me at the end of the semester? I should be able to go look and see the discussions that took place in the past? So why should that be gone when I leave college?
- Technologies are dead: our vision has reached beyond our grasp

Marshall Breeding, Vanderbilt University
- like Victor I have a hard time killing off techs
- we have lots of interim solutions
- threshold for dead techs is tempered by
- many US libraries don’t have a website and online ILS
- so in that environment, it is hard to think about casting anything off as dead technologies
- my interest is in library automation systems: hopefully current concepts of an online catalog are hopefully dying
- many of what we have now are hindered by their legacy in card catalogs
- many meta-search engines are in use, but hopefull
- federated search model based on distributed query is really not working as well as we’d like them to

New/emerging technologies:

Aaron:
- weblogs permit people to get content on the web that otherwise couldn’t
- also good to promote the idea of communities
- hopefully vendor-based content cooperatives are dead
- IM is
- living in our browsers is an exciting phenomena: not having client centered computers
- having tools like Writely
- devices with longer battery life or less power consumption
- our phones might get better and bigger

Jessamyn:
- emerging where I am is getting our libraries on ANY ILS system
- many of my tiny libraries (5000 books, 1000 patrons) are looking at skipping big ILS systems and going directly to librarything (it is marc record compliant)
- info from US LOC is free but you have to pay 35K to get it
- that is changing
- USGS maps: you have to pay shipping
- now people are purchasing with groups and sending them to the Internet Archive
- more we are not going to see format not be a limitation
- people are getting smart about making things digital

Victor:
- cool to say “living in our browsers”
- where are we going in a real long term: 10-20 years
- going toward invisible computing
- Ray Kurtzweil is right when he talks about computers in our bodies, they will be embedded in our bodies
- he is now about 70, he may be the greatest American inventor since Thomas Edison
- recently saw him give a talk and talk about the recent trends in technology, that looks like all over the place
- now look at this in terms of squaring itself on a regular term (Moore’s Law)
- when you do that, statistics go to a straight line
- Kurtzweil is saying if you live another 20 years
- so question is: what are the steps toward invisible computing?
- at one point, libraries were the center of information in a community
– there have been lots of missed opportunities by the library community, but we can’t blame them b/c it would have required 20/20 foresight
- big emerging technology: convergence of the physical and virtual worlds (now seen through Course Management Systems in higher ed_
– sets of tools that provide info storage, announcements, interactions, wiki tools to collaborate
– Sakai consortium now involves over 200 higher ed institutions
– using these tools for research groups, student groups, etc — using these virtual worlds, populating it with people’s email addresses
– this is causing in higher ed a dynamic where some things take place online, and what takes place F2F
– handout passing out, lots of discussion is taking place online: dynamics are different online compared to F2F
– library community: will be like the virtual library

Marshall:
- should be on the way out: library interfaces that make the user search different places for different things (searching here for books, here for databases, here for articles, etc.)
- in development now: more consolidated discovery environments for libraries following OLI model (taking meta data from your catalog and other resources
- next gen; get rid of silos, present info the way users expect in other web environments
- also video and rich media: at Vanderbilt we have a tremendous quantity of rich media content we are responsible to keep for ever
- this archival role is very important, the networks never recorded much of this: proper curation is key
- have about 120 terabytes of info, working closely with LOC
- hard to preserve this, esp when you see how much video is being created today
- thinking about making
- getting almost to a post meta-data system for search and retrieval, increasingly based more on content of the digital objects themselves
- when Google has the resources to digitize the resource of the 10 largest libraries around, there will be search resources that include the full-text of many millions of books
- that really turns a new leaf
- seeing more automatic ways of indexing video, without it ever being touched by human hands
- not sustainable to use our current models of having humans watch it and manually and write abstracts
- new systems doing face recognition, speech to text– these technologies
- 20,000 videos uploaded to YouTube each day
- how are people going to find this stuff in the future, and who is going to make it available
- another issue: lots of the content is NOT in English
- need to have a better handle on the language translation piece

Aaron:
- DRM is currently a big obstacle for libraries sharing music

Jessamyn:
- copyright laws are a big obstacle today

Marshall:
- LPs continue to be sold and made, but that is a small niche
- CDs are the same way
- problem is how do you distribute music freely and still permit people to make a living
- doesn’t bother me at all to think about buying a new copy of a DVD, our old model was buy 30 copies of a bestseller
- need to find economic models that are sustainable

Victor:
- the current system is really a good deal for libraries and patrons
- your patrons are taking your copy of the CDs

Aaron:
- gaming already going to downloadable

Marshall:
- gaming solutions are the most graphically intensive applications
- until bandwidth and convergence changes this, we’ll still see a lot of these games remain console/PC based

And this was me in the panel (I didn’t take notes on my own comments)

I recorded this as a podcast and will publish later…. :-)

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  1. 1 On November 14th, 2006, EdVentures in Technology » So many blogs, so little time… said:

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  2. 2 On November 14th, 2006, Bob Shuck said:

    Wes, Hafa Adai from Guam. Wow what an excellent conference. I am now back home here in Guam and back to work today(Wednesday). Just wanted to say it was great to meet you. I learned must but I am also very glad you took notes from that last session on saturday afternoon. I will go back and digest things when I get into work later this morning. thanks again for sharing you enthusiasm!

  3. 3 On November 14th, 2006, Wesley Fryer said:

    It was great to meet you Bob! Please do say hello to Jacqui Cyrus for me if you meet her in Guam!

  4. 4 On November 19th, 2006, Moving at the Speed of Creativity » Blog Archive » Podcast102: Looking at Dead and Emerging Technologies said:

    [...] My notes from other presenter’s comments during this panel discussion [...]